C&L's Late Nite Music Club with Stravinsky

In 1913 the Paris premiere of Igor Stravinsky's revolutionary score for Le Sacre du printemps (The Rite of Spring) by Sergei Diaghilev's Ballets Russes caused a riot (literally). Stravinsky's shockingly brutal yet rivetingly beautiful score changed the course of 20th-century Western music. Today Ken over at Down With Tyranny has the fascinating story of how America got introduced to this incredible music via Walt Disney's Fantasia.



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Am i missing something, or was there no there there?

One of my favorite pieces of music ever. This and Mussorgsky's 'Pictures At An Exhibition' just floor me.

...especially Ravel's remix.

The original Fantasia is one of my favorite animated films...

Ah, Fantasia. Quality. Decades ahead of its time. Shame Disney hasn't kept pushing the envelope and instead went the global domination route.

Wonderful, esp if you were the bassoon player that got to get the riot started with that opener!!!

Walt Disney exposed more average people to classical music than anyone. From Fantasia, to Bugs Bunny cartoons, he helped make the music live in the lives of people who otherwise wouldn't ever listen.

America still gets its education from Disney.

One of the great performances I attended, of many, was the Boston Symphony under Seiji Ozawa doing the Rite of Spring. Just fantastic.

And I didn't need the assistance of that rotten corporate monstrosity to hear and appreciate it.

sharkcellar @ 2:

One of my favorite pieces of music ever. This and Mussorgsky's 'Pictures At An Exhibition' just floor me.

I love the original Pictures At An Exhibition, but I also love the
ELP
version.

Sadly, that is not the real Rite of Spring, but a terrible butchering of the symphony. But what did Disney care.

Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 8:

America still gets its education from Disney.

One of the great performances I attended, of many, was the Boston Symphony under Seiji Ozawa doing the Rite of Spring. Just fantastic.

And I didn't need the assistance of that rotten corporate monstrosity to hear and appreciate it.

I agree, Seiji was a master, and I attended many performances of BSO during my 7 years in Boston. I was there for one at Tanglewood too.

T-REx and Stegasaurus did not exsist at the same time

Cosmic Eye Candy
The music is Clair de Lune by Debussy, performed by Isao Tomita.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N56b8AfeMeE

My favorite BSO experience was hearing Andre Previn conduct William Schumann's 3rd Symphony. Yow!

I used to play in a jazz quintet with Will Hudgins and Tim Genis, who were in the percussion section of the Pops and BSO. They were madmen!!

Debussy's 'Sunken Cathedral' and Scriabin's 'Vers de Flamme' are pretty bitchin' too.

> ... This and Mussorgsky’s ‘Pictures At An Exhibition’

I'm really most familiar with it because of ELP. I'm curious, does the original have the lyrics? ("Death is life")

Too bad Disney did not realize the talent of Gustav Mahler.
That odd little Jewish guy with the funny walk had to disavow his religion to direct the Vienna Symphony.
An incredible sacrifice but his body of work is there for all the world to hear.
Not to take anything away from Stravinsky, but too bad for Mahler fans that his music was pretty much ignored until the 80s and 90s.

Stanley Rosenthal @ 16:

> ... This and Mussorgsky’s ‘Pictures At An Exhibition’

I'm really most familiar with it because of ELP. I'm curious, does the original have the lyrics? ("Death is life")

Nope, they were ELP's (Greg Lake and Richard Frasier)

Pina Bausch Wuppertal Dance Theater

Le Sacre Du Printemps

ballet to fight about

Adventures in Colour
A photographic journey through England and Portugal, with HDR (high dynamic range)imagery. The ordinary seems a little more extra-ordinary this way.

The featured music is Pachebelle's Canon, as synthesised by Isao Tomita
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ugpVY2AhX0

Tomitas Gardens in the rain by Debussy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y8KyRKvFx8

Since we're on a Disney-esque theme for better or worse, another from Fantasia: Stokowski's version of Rimsky-Korsakov's version of Mussorgsky's A Night On Bald Mountain

Bugs Bunny

Maestro

in fact, Bugs was Warner Bros., not Disney

disney fantasia The Sorcerer's Apprentice with Mickey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD8HDta7Z_4

This video reminds me of the cover art on ELP's PAAE -

http://youtube.com/watch?v=shdErPjtjK8

Super Karate Monkey Death Car @ 23:

Bugs Bunny

Maestro

in fact, Bugs was Warner Bros., not Disney

I'll go you one better!
Kill the wabbit
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OyxPxpSvXQ8

Super Karate Monkey Death Car @ 23:

Bugs Bunny

Maestro

in fact, Bugs was Warner Bros., not Disney

I knew that! Really, I did.... Oops....I goofed ;)

I used to have a bunch of these bookmarked, but most have now been deleted: "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc."

but here's one that survived:
Corny Concerto

Nebelnest

Etude de Shimshot

French post-rock/avant-prog

I'm fighting/debating a whiner over on the Glenn Beck blog. Anybody know of any great wine/whine songs I can deliver to her? I've already used UB40's Red Red Wine, but I think I'm forgetting my favorite Wine songs ...

Claire de Lune
Ida Presti and Alexandre Lagoya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3BXJs2VcYo

Stanley Rosenthal @ 29:

I'm fighting/debating a whiner over on the Glenn Beck blog. Anybody know of any great wine/whine songs I can deliver to her? I've already used UB40's Red Red Wine, but I think I'm forgetting my favorite Wine songs ...

Kisses Sweeter than Whine??

2x, K(eep)I(t)S(imple,)S(tupid) is defintely better than whining. :-) I'm thinking of using it on her (but it's not one of the Wine songs I'm thinking I've forgotten about.)

Stanley Rosenthal @ 33:

2x, K(eep)I(t)S(imple,)S(tupid) is defintely better than whining. :-) I'm thinking of using it on her (but it's not one of the Wine songs I'm thinking I've forgotten about.)

Perry Como - Days Of Wine And Roses?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIyRE_pPf5M

Stanley Rosenthal @ 33:

2x, K(eep)I(t)S(imple,)S(tupid) is defintely better than whining. :-) I'm thinking of using it on her (but it's not one of the Wine songs I'm thinking I've forgotten about.)

The only other one I could think of was Days of Wine and Roses, but I don't think that would work...

99 @ 30:

Claire de Lune
Ida Presti and Alexandre Lagoya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3BXJs2VcYo

Very nice version

Pelican

Dead Between the Walls

oh yeah, that's the stuff

Stanley Rosenthal @ 32:

ELP: Karn Evil 9 (complete) -

http://technohippie.com/geeklog/public_html/mediagallery/media.php?s=200...

Benny The Bouncer -

http://technohippie.com/geeklog/public_html/mediagallery/media.php?s=200...

Still ... You Turn Me On -

http://technohippie.com/geeklog/public_html/mediagallery/media.php?s=200...

(all from their obviously incredible 4th album Brain Salad Surgury)

Great stuff. These guys were a teenage stoners dream! Umm, not me of course, but, umm, oh, never mind.

I'm gonna use Days Of Wine And Roses on her too. I think that's one of the Wine songs that I had forgotten about. ThanX LG!

If you liked Fantasia you owe it to yourself to check out the far superior "Allegro Non troppo"

The disney realization of this is really, well, underwhelming. Actually, it's perfectly dreadful.

Super Karate Monkey Death Car @ 37:

Pelican

Dead Between the Walls

oh yeah, that's the stuff

Never heard of them. Reminds me very much of Metallica. I Like.

A Bottle Of Wine and Patsy Cline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvcjhxBDalE

LG, I was thinking that was something to the song that I can't remember which went something like "Bottle of whine, fruit of the vine" and I can't remember much more of the tune I'm thinking of, but I know it's not the Patsy Cline tune ...

Stanley Rosenthal @ 43:

LG, I was thinking that was something to the song that I can't remember which went something like "Bottle of whine, fruit of the vine" and I can't remember much more of the tune I'm thinking of, but I know it's not the Patsy Cline tune ...

You are thinkin of an old folksong called "Bottle of wine". how about "Weed Whites and wine"? Little Feat - Willin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWwgwADwHh0&mode=related&search=

Starchild

The Futurist

Sabb disciples

There you go, LG. It's definitely Weed Whites and Whine that I've been forgetting about. ThanX again my friend!!!!

tim @ 40:

If you liked Fantasia you owe it to yourself to check out the far superior "Allegro Non troppo"

The disney realization of this is really, well, underwhelming. Actually, it's perfectly dreadful.

Wow, I don't know this, but it looks great.
bolero 1
Valse Triste

and the wikipedia article is interesting too.

thanks

Stanley Rosenthal @ 46:

There you go, LG. It's definitely Weed Whites and Whine that I've been forgetting about. ThanX again my friend!!!!

Good luck!

ThanX LG, but no luck is nec. I'm in total control over there, thanX to my skill. And thanX to Chris Achorn for pointing me the WAY over to there. :-)

I think my math is off, I left out Trilogy. I'm now thinking that Brain Salad Surgury was ELP's 5th album.

Yup, fifth. From Wikipedia:
* Emerson, Lake and Palmer (1970) #4 UK, #18 US
* Tarkus (1971) #1 UK, #9 US
* Pictures at an Exhibition (live) (1971) #3 UK, #10 US
* Trilogy (1972) #2 UK, #5 US
* Brain Salad Surgery (1973) #2 UK, #11 US
* Karn Evil 9 (1974) (live) #5 UK, #4 US
* Works, Vol. 1 (1977) #9 UK, #12 US
* Works, Vol. 2 (1977) #20 UK, #37 US
* Love Beach (1978) #48 UK, #55 US
* In Concert (live) (1979) #79 US
* Black Moon (1992) #78 US
* Live at the Royal Albert Hall (live) (1993)
* Works Live (1993)
* In the Hot Seat (1994)
* I Believe In Father Christmas (1995)
* Live at the Isle of Wight Festival 1970 (live) (1997)
* Live in Poland (live) (1997)
* Reworks: Brain Salad Perjury (2003)

My favorites are Tarkus, BSS, PAAE and Works 1 and 2

Dinosaurs?

I take it the Christian Taliban disapproves of this movie.

2x @ 38:

Stanley Rosenthal @ 32:

ELP: Karn Evil 9 (complete) -

http://technohippie.com/geeklog/public_html/mediagallery/media.php?s=200...

Benny The Bouncer -

http://technohippie.com/geeklog/public_html/mediagallery/media.php?s=200...

Still ... You Turn Me On -

http://technohippie.com/geeklog/public_html/mediagallery/media.php?s=200...

(all from their obviously incredible 4th album Brain Salad Surgury)

Great stuff. These guys were a teenage stoners dream! Umm, not me of course, but, umm, oh, never mind.

Ha! You couldn't help it. I saw them in a stadium when I was 15, and I got stoned from the fallout.

Stanley Rosenthal @ 29:

I'm fighting/debating a whiner over on the Glenn Beck blog. Anybody know of any great wine/whine songs I can deliver to her? I've already used UB40's Red Red Wine, but I think I'm forgetting my favorite Wine songs ...

Um, Elton John, Elderberry Wine?

Shit!

Eric Burden and War, "Spill the Wine."

I don't recall the Elton John song at all (but I was never much of a fan of his, so that's not much of a surprise I guess), but Spill The Whine is definitely something I've heard before (but I don't think it was one of my faves to forget. I think I'm gonna use that against her anyWAY, it was definitely a BIG tune)

Bush Bites @ 56:

Spill the Wine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3qw8pzHHKo

Love Eric Burdon, Animals, War.

Stanley Rosenthal @ 57:

I don't recall the Elton John song at all (but I was never much of a fan of his, so that's not much of a surprise I guess), but Spill The Whine is definitely something I've heard before (but I don't think it was one of my faves to forget. I think I'm gonna use that against her anyWAY, it was definitely a BIG tune)

So what's this thread you're involved in? link?

Nice classical pick.

Stanley Rosenthal @ 29:

I'm fighting/debating a whiner over on the Glenn Beck blog. Anybody know of any great wine/whine songs I can deliver to her? I've already used UB40's Red Red Wine, but I think I'm forgetting my favorite Wine songs ...

'Tiny Bubbles (In the Whine)' - Don Ho

NO, it wasn't Don Ho that I was forgetting either ... :-)

> So what’s this thread you’re involved in? link?

I *love* requests!!!! Let me see if I can find the link (but to be fair, Glenn posts rarely so every thread becomes the latest place to comment over there) ...

http://glennbeck.premiereinteractive.com/blog/?p=50

Oops... I dropped back into my over and over again thing tonight. This time it's Chris Rea's Nothing to Fear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWHGqXY5jCk

Stanley Rosenthal @ 62:

NO, it wasn't Don Ho that I was forgetting either ... :-)

> So what’s this thread you’re involved in? link?

I *love* requests!!!! Let me see if I can find the link (but to be fair, Glenn posts rarely so every thread becomes the latest place to comment over there) ...

http://glennbeck.premiereinteractive.com/blog/?p=50

thanks, interesting read so far ;-)

Stanley! Don't mess with those people! You'll get a headache.

99, it's too bad that you didn't post that comment on comment #66. Because it seems to me that you've got it all backwards. I'm not getting a headache, I'm giving them headaches.

Well yer all man, Stan. My brains turn into burning fizzies whenever engaging with people from cognitive dissonance land. Hours with beautiful music and lots of ibuprofen it takes to mellow me out after that kind of noise. I'd think you'd get headaches from giving them headaches.

Keith Jarrett, living up to his "difficult genius" reputation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB9mMABRM0c

99 @ 66:

For 2x: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCz9VRuZv0E

Thanks 99, funny you should post them. As I was watching some of Eric Burdon I was reminded how I always thought their voices were similar.

When I was a teenybopper all the bad boys listened to those bad boys, and it was thrilling!

Eric Burdon and Jim Morrison....

Strange, did my last comment get caught in the spam filter?

Sometimes comments seem to drop into a chronosynclastic infundibulum around here, but I think if you put more than three links in a comment that sends it over to the moderation queue.

The term seems to be (because I don't think that it's C&L doing it, C&L generally comments the reason for any deletion/editing if it isn't obvious) the "bitbucket". The "bitbucket" is where all comments go when they dissappear, according to the online jargon file (New Hacker's Dictionary).

Ok, I'll try again and see if I can remember what I wrote. I believe that I made the comment that yes, Eric Burdon and Jim Morrison's voices always seemed similar to me, and I provided these links:

The Animals - It's My Life

Animals - We Gotta Get Out of this Place

"In 1913 the Paris premiere of Igor Stravinsky’s revolutionary score for Le Sacre du printemps (The Rite of Spring) by Sergei Diaghilev’s Ballets Russes caused a riot (literally)."

This is an overstatement. While Stravinsky's ballet score made innovative use of polymetrics that some would refer to as "violent," what really inspired the riot was the visual component of the ballet (the actual dancing -- Vaslav Nijinski's choreography). Nijinsky's concept for this ballet was overtly untraditional and graceless, completely antithetical to the classical dance aesthetic of the day, and that is what really sent the crowd over the edge.

I guess their voices are so imprinted here that I don't hear the similarity... like nobody can tell my mom and my sister's voices from mine, but they don't even sound like each other to me. They connect on the bad boy plane for me.

I'm getting confused, I think. Isn't Stravinsky the guy who invented the Violin???? ;-)

99 @ 78:

I guess their voices are so imprinted here that I don't hear the similarity... like nobody can tell my mom and my sister's voices from mine, but they don't even sound like each other to me. They connect on the bad boy plane for me.

I think it's primarily when they hit the lower tones for me, their growling voices perhaps. I don't know, but I remember thinking it even as a kid.

Nice music on your page BTW, and are you from NE? Boston area perhaps?

Stanley Rosenthal @ 79:

I'm getting confused, I think. Isn't Stravinsky the guy who invented the Violin???? ;-)

Are you perhaps thinking of Stradivarius? Who of course didn't invent it either.

How's the battle going on the 'pages of reason'? ;-)

Haha, speaking of Stravinsky, check out these quotes of his. I especially like the first one in the list:
"A good composer does not imitate; he steals."

Stanley Rosenthal @ 79:

I'm getting confused, I think. Isn't Stravinsky the guy who invented the Violin???? ;-)

A Stradivarius is a stringed instrument built by members of the Stradivari family, especially by Antonio Stradivari.

Stradivarius, Stan.

2x @ 80:

99 @ 78:

I guess their voices are so imprinted here that I don't hear the similarity... like nobody can tell my mom and my sister's voices from mine, but they don't even sound like each other to me. They connect on the bad boy plane for me.

I think it's primarily when they hit the lower tones for me, their growling voices perhaps. I don't know, but I remember thinking it even as a kid.

Nice music on your page BTW, and are you from NE? Boston area perhaps?

Born and raised in Marin County, California. Live two inches from the Oregon Border and three inches from the Pacific now. Very Northern California girl. I'm wishing to be whisked off to... a cave in China or a Pacific atoll or Newfoundland... anywhere... these days! :-P

I'm really glad you like my page... thanks.

Oops, forgot the link to the Stravinsky quotes:

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/i/igor_stravinsky.html

Ah, the reason that I asked about Boston area is because of the first item on your page, Michael Hedges your old neighbor who died on 128. I was thinking of the 128 corridor.

I'm in SF, for the last 14 years, but currently wishing to be 'whisked' off to a small Greek island, a pacific atol (SCUBA!) or Costa Rica..., or many many other places, so I can relate!

Hey, GNA!!!!

Michael Hedges lived in Mendocino County, California when I lived there. There's a bunch of redwood trees to the right of the frame, just off camera, in that video....

GN Stan.

Highway 128 cuts between the Redwood Highway and the Coast Highway in Mendo World, 2x. He drove off the road one night, coming home.

We're like the Dixie Chicks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hntXAO_Rq7c

GN Stan

Oh, that 128, I've been on that, it runs right through Boonville - good beer! (but I don't speak Boontling). Got some Hop Ottin IPA right in front of me :)

Sorry to hear about the accident...

Time for me to say GN as well - enjoy.

99 @ 91:

We're like the Dixie Chicks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hntXAO_Rq7c

;-)

Ya, a cowboy or whoever.

GN 2x....

T-Rex was a scavenger. Google it

The Nutcracker by Tchaikovsky

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi_efzYcXGI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3CjBLrazE8

Ozawa conducts the Berlin Philharmonic

Not to take anything away from Stravinsky, but too bad for Mahler fans that his music was pretty much ignored until the 80s and 90s.

Ignored by whom? Some of the greatest recordings of Mahler's music were made in the 1950's and 1960's (in fact, one of the best recordings of Mahler's 4th Symphony was Willem Mengleberg's recording with the Concertgebouw Orchestra of Amsterdam in 1939). Probably the best known champion of Mahler's music was Leonard Bernstein who regularly included Mahler's music in NY Philharmonic concerts when he was the orchestra's music director. Bernstein recorded the complete cycle of Mahler's symphonies twice--the first for Columbia in the 1960's and the second for Deutsche Grammophon in the 1980's.

Ah, the reason that I asked about Boston area is because of the first item on your page, Michael Hedges your old neighbor who died on 128. I was thinking of the 128 corridor.

What a terrible loss that was. Hedges was a mind-bogglingly brilliant guitarist.

Michael Hedges "Arial Boundaries"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYTZ550D504

"... how America got introduced to this incredible music via Walt Disney’s Fantasia."

Yes, Disney and Bugs did much for the musical awakening of a generation of "Americans". But who, or what, will do it now?

On this thread we have everything from one poster calling Stravinsky "classical", to another thinking he "invented the violin", and to another who corrected him by saying it was "Stradivarius". (The violin existed long before Stradivari's opened their shop.)

Oh well - at least we have Rock 'n Roll!

Stanley Rosenthal @ 29:

I'm fighting/debating a whiner over on the Glenn Beck blog. Anybody know of any great wine/whine songs I can deliver to her? I've already used UB40's Red Red Wine, but I think I'm forgetting my favorite Wine songs ...

How about Melanie's "Leftover Wine"?

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