C&L's Late Nite Music Club with Brand X
By John Amato Friday Mar 28, 2008 10:28pmWhat's a Saturday night without a little old time Jazz Fusion baby!
Born Ugly...
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What's a Saturday night without a little old time Jazz Fusion baby!
Born Ugly...
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I really like it when John A. picks the LNMC stuff.
excellent choice John
Tasty stuff there, John my man! And with Phil Collins on drums, displaying some SERIOUS chops, too.
Thanks...
Herbie Hancock - Cantaloupe Island
Avec Pat Metheny, Dave Holland et Jack DeJohnet.
This whole album is really great. One of my best purchases.
Howie has been a big help to the LNMC. I've been so busy that he's been aces for us making his videos...
John Amato @ 6:
No way John! No disrespect to Howie but your choices are always the best. I see a great prog rock outfit or some RTF and I know where it's coming from.
Yeah, I first heard these guys in the late '80s (by a boss in a ski repair shop who corrupted my adolescent mind in many other ways as well), and if anyone ever wants / needs to gain a LOT of respect for the musicianship of Phil Collins, check out Brand X. He absoulutely smokes on drums.....almost enough to forgive Sussudio.....
Howie, you cant make everybody happy. That's just the way it is.
me, myself and I........think your doin a great job.keep on keepin on.
right now I'm listening to Peter Tosh. Nothin but Love
I prefer the Mahavishnu Orchestra to Brand X.
I even prefer Gabriel-less Genesis to Brand X. Although, the bassist is excellent. He appeared on Brian Eno's chef d'oeuvre "Before and After Science."
How about some Stanley Clarke...
just a thought
mudshark @ 11:
How 'bout you find some and post it? Just a thought! :p
In the meantime, out of my old jazz collection...Birdland live by Weather Report
miss_kitty Hussein @ 12:
well, then, I guess I'll go dig some up.:)
Jaco Pastorius..(edited by JA)
His sound is excruciatingly unbearable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC001Z3XWKE
here try this one out.
School Days......Stanley Clarke.
Oh, Did I mention that Return to Forever was going on tour.
Playing in SF in mid June.
When I first met my wife, I took her out to a show , Stanley Clarke.
in a very small club.
memorable night.
yeah,she dug it.
Le Roi Est Mort @ 14:
hey. Don't listen then.
And how sweet of you to say someone deserves mental illness and homelessness, and being beaten to death by a bouncer in a club for sneaking in. Because you don't dig their bass playing.
Where's that humanitarian award I heard you got?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC001Z3XWKE
ya know, the amazing thing about Stanley Clarke is that he plays the bass like it's a lead.
Same tune different line up.
mudshark @ 13:
Nice one, mudshark. This was the fusion era. Pop and rock sucked so much, I never listened from the early 70s until new wave.
I just listened to jazz, worked in a jazz club, walked in on Eddie-old guy-something or other-got shot over drugs-singer-was it Jefferson? Snorting some white powder in the boiler room. Had to be a mix, judging from the performance, which wasn't too laid back or to hyped up...Met a young young Marsalis, Bob Dorough, Blossom Dearie-I can't remember them all, but those were the days
mudshark @ 17:
holy shit, these guy kick ass.
mudshark @ 17:
No. It's the SAME tune. Same version... :)
He (Pastorius) offends my sensibilities. I like Wayne Shorter and the late Joe Zawinul, however. Although Joe's lame synthesizer tones and Wayne's soprano sax with The Weather Report are equally as offensive as Pastorius' transgressions. Wayne and Joe have contributed to the creation of canonical, beautiful works. Shorter's "Zuzu" and Zawinul's work with Cannonball and Miles on "In a Silent Way" make up for any slip-ups. What's Jaco have? His work on Mitchell's "Mingus" album? That's it? To Hell with him. He has no cause for beatification to the pantheon of great jazz musicians.
Post Script:
Eno's lovely ode to Zawinul from his "Another Green World" album comes to mind: Zawinul/Lava.
That night. Under the Pier (Concerts by the Sea) in Redondo Beach Ca. He let this kid up on stage.Couldn't have been older than 21 ,braces and all. This kid got up there and just blew Stanley's mind. I'll never forget the look on his face. Shit.....the whole place went back.....maybe......20 feet..I was resting my feet on the edge of the stage. He came over and started School Days right in front of us.I still have a hard time believing I was that close.And they served drinks too.
unfuckingbelievable.
Le Roi Est Mort @ 21:
No problem you don't like him. But at the end he was a drugged up drunken bi polar manically depressed mess. I wouldn't wish that on someone because they played shitty music. I've been around it, and it's hell on acquaintances, neighbours, friends and loved ones.
Why don't you post some of the stuff you like? I'd like to hear it, and that's what LNMC is for... :D
mudshark @ 22:
oh, he let the kid play his guitar.
you should of seen the look on this kids face , he was in 7th heaven.
Pax Blogorum.
Serge Gainsbourg - Je Suis Venu Te Dire Que Je M'en Vais... - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCT3gg8amPk
miss_kitty Hussein @ 23:
mudshark @ 15:
These guy's......their smile in contagious.
Le Roi Est Mort @ 14:
You, sir, offend my sensibilities. We can only HOPE you will get what YOU deserve. And here's a wish that it is excruciating.
Nice pick John. Sorry about the above, who let the dumb ass in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4mOB6ENFc&feature=related
more Stanley Clarke.
mudshark @ 28:
B Cobham,C Corea, J L Ponty
just so you don't bypass on this.
The Savage "sidewinder" -
I wasn't critiquing Mr. Amato's Posting of Brand X, I was stating my opinion of a fusion bassist whom someone mentioned.
Personally, I find Percy Jones' playing quite enchanting. Pastorius could've learned a thing or two.
If I saw it I would have deleted that idiot comment...I saw the Miles Davis reunion band in Long Beach. What a show...Good night everybody...
John Amato @ 31:
Night John Amato
GN John, sorry if I threw the thread off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3jT0uaZw0&NR=1
mean while.SC on a stand up bass.
mudshark @ 33:
You can't throw the thread off if you post music.
I have been trying to post, telling people to lay off Le Roi-I tore him a new one already. I was hoping we could get him to post here. We all say dumb mean shit. Let's kiss and make up..I've been vetting this because it's 24 minutes long. And I want to assure you all it's smokin hot. And I search this guy because Le Roi brought him up
Cannonball Adderley
Le Roi Est Mort @ 30:
You're yanking the chain Leroy. You obviously aren't familiar with Jaco's body of work. And if you are, you must be an unfulfilled "wanna be" musician yourself. And that weird French U-Tube peice you linked to (@ comment 25) is nowhere near the genre we're considering here; mid-seventies "fusion". I hope Mr. Amato posts a Pastorius featured piece here, and you can choke on it! You didn't have to be so mean to the dead, to state your ignorant opinion.
I was tore nothing. Pastorius is a hack.
You want fusion? You got it.
Mahavishnu Orchestra - http://youtube.com/watch?v=GXcMk6OG1Xc
Oh, and to think that this is supposed to be a people who encourage a variety of opinion.
No better than the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, if that's the case!
BTW, Le Roi, I love Gainsbourg. I have this in my Bookmarks Bonnie and Clyde. I have John Zorn's Great Jewish Composers: Serge Gainsbourg. Covers of his stuff...I loved it when he called Catherine Ringer a slut and she called him a smelly drunk that no one could understand Gainsbourg insulte Catherine Ringer and when he told Whitney Houston "I wahnt to fock 'er" French guys. So romantique.
Mahavishnu John Mclaughlin & Jan Hammer - Lotus on a Irish Stream
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3lktfsZ-PZo
Le Roi Est Mort @ 37:
Ok. So you don't need a new one. I was-and John and everyone that was crabbing at you was doing so because you wished him ill, not because you dislike his style. Go read...
Ringer et alia Y'A D'La Haine
Miss Hussein Kitty, thanks for the relative peace.
I thought this was a forum. I've enjoyed C&L for years.
If I know one thing, however, it is music. That's why I was so inclined to chip in.
None to shabby for a 24 year old, methinks. How many of us are familiar with Corea's work in Return to Forever, Brand X, Gabriel Era Genesis, Cannonball Adderly, Jozef Zawinul, Mahavishnu John McLaughlin, Serge Gansbourg, or, for that matter, Jaco Pastorius?
If anything, I consider myself a musical emisary. Music is my first love, and my second passion. It's neither my wife, nor my life, but close.
Shakti - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h2uL8lk2lM
Simply Religious.
Le Roi Est Mort @ 44:
I am. And I got into all of them around the age of 18 with the exception of Gainsbourg.
That was all contemporary music in my day.
And again-it's great to have someone chip in criticism that is well thought out, as you did in your following comment. I went to art school. I love criticism. I like reading people criticising stuff I like, in a thoughtful way, because it makes me listen differently.
Corea's a Scientologist though. Like his stuff, don't like to give him dosh.
My candor can easily be perceived as cruel and acidic, but I assure you that my madness is not without its method. I never criticise that with which I am not familiar.
Re: Corea's Scientology -
But He's OT VIII. ;o)
Isn't Clarke a follower of L. Ron, as well?
Deteriorata slide show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1NAwlepnSs
Thanks crooks and liars-love your music links ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhOfC4FOaeE&feature=related
sharing with ya!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCzdKdajEIc
ohhhhhhh yeah!!
i once jammed with john goodsall in l.a., a bass player friend of mine who worshipped brand x somehow met jg and convinced him to jam (me on drums). even with his heroin habit he was still remarkable. but then, of course, there was that darned heroin habit... hope he's kicked it; can't believe he's still alive if he hasn't...
I can't stand this stuff...like Stanley Jordan...just noodling away-could go on forever. I know they're accomplished, respect their talent but just can't dig that neverending sound of a cat on a piano.
We like Phil Collins when he shuts the hell up and only plays drums - and doesn't try to write any LYRICS. God, that man is the worst lyricist on Earth.
Brand X was the last decent thing Phil Collins did.
Steve
Le Roi Est Mort @ 48:
Scientology is no loonier than anything else anyone believes.
Steve
Percy Jones is indeed a monster bass player, whether w/ Brand X or his playing on 'Before and After Science' or 'Another Green World'
I don't begrudge Collins for wanting to make pop music- it's just a pity he chose to create such MOR shite. Still, his drumming here, and on Robert Fripp's 'Exposure', Gabriel's third (not to mention 'The Lamb..') is far to superior to the likes of N. Peart, et al. YMMV, naturally.
To poster 52...
Man I'm envious. I often try to preach the talents of John Goodsall. I've only heard his BrandX stuff (I have 7 albums) and some of it is mind blowing. He also does nice toned down melodic stuff too (Ipanemia on "Is There Anything About" for example).
Nice to see that other people know that Phil Collins CAN actually drum pretty well too.
As a bass player I think all mentioned have something unique to offer.
A little of Stanley Clarke goes a long way with me though.
But no one mentioned Kai Eckhardt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPxQp9KsPNE
MudShark #28
Thanks for that Lopsy Lou linky. Man, that was some hot shite!
And THANK YOU for the head's up on the RTF tour! I haven't seen them since the WHIKYB tour.
Brand X smoke! Nice choice I haven't heard them in years.
Just to add Percy rocks! Him along with Jaco, Stanley, and John Entwistle.
Man John, you rock, thanks for pullin this one out. I had the distinct pleasure of seeing brandx live, loved this band. Dude is an a** Jaco was one of the most creative, best bass players ever, I just listend to some of his work with Jonie Mitchell the other night, awesome. Miss Kitty, Bob D and Blossom are two of my faves, Mudshark, love the Zappa name, mine was Howie.
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