C&L's Late Nite Music Club with Green Day
By David Neiwert Thursday Jul 02, 2009 7:00pmYou can view this video right here by getting the latest version of Flash Player!
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I'm with Howie: Green Day's new album, 21st Century Breakdown, is yet another great piece of songwriting. I'm astonished that at the very least it equals American Idiot, which I thought would be an impossible album to top.
They're kicking off their national tour Friday night in Seattle at Key Arena. I still haven't wrangled a pass yet, but I'm hoping to figure out a way to get in and report back. In the meantime, I wanted to run this live version of "Viva La Gloria" as a kind of warmup.
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Be like the rest of us, pay to see a concert. I miss lots of concerts due to the fact I just can't afford it, if I could I would go see whom ever it is performing.
The anti-establishment punk band
With corporate sponsorship?
bottom line.
If a band has COMMERCIALS on teevee, they are govt. music.
If you want REAL anti-establishment punk rock, try the Dead Kennedy's on for size.
Green Day...Fah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds_TRSoQkJ0
doesn't make you "govt. music," it makes you a corporate rock band and need I remind everyone here that Corporate Rock Still Sucks!
The idea of rock as the pure musical statement of disaffected youth (and geezers) ended sometime in the late 1950's.
I've got several of Green Day CD's and the American Idiot release really has got the goods. I haven't heard any of the 21st Century Breakdown tunes. Yet. I'll look into it.
I read recently that Billie Joe Armstrong has vowed to play even longer concerts than Bruce and the E Street Band. Should be a great show.
Not feelin' it Dave. They've just turned bad, repetitious and boring.
IMHO, since they did the sound track for that football movie with the mongoloid lookin dude from dawsons creek, I knew they were sellouts.
It's always disappointing to find out one of your blogging heroes has such terrible taste in music.
In fact, I think it might be better than American Idiot.
It's more cohesive.
We have tix to see them in August here in San Diego.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ushS4107jDY
Been playing the shit out of it wherever I can...
Smash It Up
"I'm astonished that at the very least it equals American Idiot, which I thought would be an impossible album to top."
David, I've enjoyed your work in the past, but aren't you pushing 50? Near-seniors heaping praise on music primarily aimed at the 13-17 demographic is still considered undignified, isn't it? Maybe I'm out of the loop.
...you're just a dick.
age groupings? I'm 55 and couldn't disagree with you more. Apparently, yes, you are out of the loop.
I've played "American Idiot" hundreds of times and I wonder if the demogrphic you referred to has any inkling of the message of the album. Bravo if they do but I'm more inclined to think they are drawn to the anthemic beat and adreniline fueled music.
I bought "21st Century Breakdown" two days ago and was doubtful it could come close to "American Idiot"; now I'm debating which is better. There are certainly more melodious, ballad-like tracts on "21st Century". From a storyline standpoint, I see this as Billie Joe's thought-provoking vision of how the world will have evolved "post-right wing Christian era Bush" as opposed to "during Bush", the ultimate American Idiot. This "21st Century Breakdown" is apocalyptic and the visuals stimulted by the lyrics are remarkable.
IMHO, of course.
Allow me to shoot down this "hip older guy" fantasy tangent of yours right now: you're a 55 year-old man who listens to Green Day and then imagines yourself to be somehow more appreciative of the music and "the message" due to your sophisticated wisdom, which I guess in your mind has been wrought by the many hard lessons of age. In other word(s): LOL! Give it up, grandad.
I mean, I like a lengthy and pointless debate about subjective and unimportant aesthetic preferences as much as the next person with access to a keyboard and addictive beverage-based stimulants, but there just isn't much to kick around or chew over in this case.
...that's because Green Day sucks, it isn't the mid-90s anymore, and posting about how much you love what the kids are listening to deserves nothing but scorn and ridicule.
(That said, if I've interrupted some sort of hypothetical thought experiment where everyone present tries to visualize what it would be like to be a bat, a brain in a vat, or a sucka who likes Green Day's crap then I apologize. Just trying to keep it real, bro.)
you can't bust someones balls for that.
Even though I agree that Green Day sucks, some folks like them, and if a 55 year old dude wants to listen to them I say that's his business.
...just like it's his business if he wants to walk around the house with his junk fully exposed, either due to laziness, the physical mandates of fetish-type clothing, or something else.
Public disclosure of facts about preferences or habits online may result in light-to-moderate fun being made of the person who chooses to share them - fair warning! ;)
...let me know what's hip and what I should be listening to, how to look, and how w to speak, and damni, I'll just do what you say!
Oh, gosh, isn't that what "the Establishment" ties to make us do? What they want?
Then you would be...let's see...
Music critics are the most useless form of critic out there, and that includes you.
If a person is moved by music, who are you to say they are wrong? There is absolutely no matrix out there to determine if a band or a particular kind of music sucks or is better than another one. Either you like it or you don't. To then proclaim that a band sucks, based on your own careful analysis and expert musical experience, makes you a douchebag.
The rest of your post is beyond idiotic.
You are the one that deserves scorn and ridicule.
That's right: forming and expressing negative opinions about objects, sound sequences, people and things which exist are useless activities, and all beings capable of intelligible communication should immediately cease speaking, typing or thinking before hyperbole is employed at the expense of someone or something douglasaurus likes!
There is absolutely no matrix out there to determine if a commenter or a particular kind of comment sucks or is better than another one. Either you like it or you don't. To then proclaim that a comment sucks, based on your own careful analysis and expert comment-judging experience, makes you a douchebag.
douglasaurus, most civilized societies which have recorded the history and attitudes of their populations for posterity have deemed that older people making desperate overtures to the culture and preferences of youth is embarrassing and undignified.
If you, Neiwert and An Average 55 Year Old Joe want to get together, smoke reefer and talk about how awesome Green Day is, that's fine. Just keep the bedroom door closed so nobody sees you dancing around with ties tied around your heads pretending to play tennis rackets like guitars, because then you won't have to get huffy after passersby make comments that amount to mild teasing.
BTW, if you want to be fully correct, I'm more interested in criticizing middle-aged bloggers making awkward attempts to associate themselves with contemporary fashion trends in any medium rather than music specifically. Where does that rank on your patented "critical analysis genre usefulness scale"? We've already established that it has to be above "music," right? LOL.
Your awkward attempt at criticism and a being an arbiter of the culture and preferences of youth is what is embarrassing and undignified.
Ridicule and scorn are usually used as cover for fear, ignorance, incompetence, lack of creativity or some other sort of shortcoming. On my patented "Critical Analysis Genre Usefulness Scale (c)" you rank in the "jester" Genre under "vapid"
Just remember, when you hit middle age you better stick to things that are appropriate to your age, or some guy on the internet will call you desperate or undignified.
Oh, I almost forgot the universal sign that everything I have just said is OK since I was just kidding (or I find so funny that I made myself laugh)
LOL
"Music critics are the most useless form of critic out there"
What the hell does this statement even mean? Is there a hierarchy of critical topics that I'm not aware of? And if there is, why would music (one of the oldest forms of human artistic expression), be the "most useless"?
"There is absolutely no matrix out there to determine if a band or a particular kind of music sucks or is better than another one. Either you like it or you don't"
You're right about this. Taste in music is completely subjective. However, I'm not annoyed by true fans of Green Day who honestly just like the music. I'm annoyed by people who love Green Day because they think this mainstream corporate rock band is so politically subversive. That's utterly ridiculous. There is very little difference between Green Day and Bon Jovi or the Jonas Brothers for that matter. If you want truly "punk" music and truly subversive music, it's not going to be in the Warner Records catalog.
during critique. As an artist, I have one goal...Getting attention. I don't care whether it's "I LOVE IT!" or "I HATE IT!"
As an artist, you have to learn to deal with criticism w/o getting worked up over the negative, or you'll drive yourself nuts.
It's your choice. As for your question, usually professional critics have an extensive background in the area which they work. That's what qualifies them to say good or bad. And with all that knowledge, they don't always get it right. either.
So, douglasaurus, don't take it on when they say you suck.
I'm not an artist or a musician. I have never created anything and placed it out there to be critiqued. The reason I find music critics especially useless is because most of them do not have the extensive background you speak of. Most of them are journalists that write about music.
Music is different from almost all other forms of art because it is so purely emotional. When a writer talks about music, the opinion is valid only for that person. It is valid for a writer to describe how they felt about a piece of music, but then to assign a grade or a thumbs up or what have you, is B.S. because it could have a completely different impact on someone else. Same with sculptures and paintings.
Movies, food, books etc, all have other aspects that could be criticized legitimately by experts.
I appreciate the concern advise though
about Green Day not being subversive. They do have a message that is slightly edgier than the Jonas Brothers and Bon Jovi. Niche marketing, I guess.
Regarding the first question, read above.
I've been a punk since 1977, when I was playing the Ramones and the Pistols for my student-radio late-nite show in Moscow, Idaho.
Green Day, from the day I heard them, was always kinda "kiddie punk" for me -- pretty lightweight, but with an undeniable gift for the melodic hook. But in recent years their songwriting has really matured a lot, especially lyrically, and I've come to appreciate them a great deal more.
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