Nanci Griffith Blogging Live About Her New Album, The Loving Kind, Right Here
The Loving Kind from Howie Klein.
When I mentioned to Rolling Stone writer (and author) Eric Boehlert that I was going to be talking with Nanci Griffith, his response was positively over the top. "I'm such a big fan. Right after college I discovered her. Sorta weird, I was such a huge rock fan and suddenly at 22 and 24 years old I'm listening to "Spin On A Red Brick Floor," and "Gulf Coast Highway." My friends thought I was nuts." Now they probably think he was prescient. Eric reminded me that Nanci was part of the proud and breathtaking legacy of MCA/Nashville President Tony Brown, along with Steve Earle and Lyle Lovett. Brown produced her biggest charting country album, Lone Star State of Mind but these days most people think of her as a folk singer.
Funny, she always has seen herself that way. "I've always written about social issues," she told me on the phone a couple of days ago, "because I consider myself a folk song writer. I started writing "Not Innocent Enough," [the chillingly gorgeous song about the 2007 execution of Philip Workman from The Loving Kind] 4 years ago, long before Philip was executed. It just didn't have an ending. Sometimes an issue like that one... it just takes a while to see how it's going to reconcile itself." A decade and a half ago Nanci won a Grammy (Best Contemporary Folk Album for Other Voices, Other Rooms.
And the death penalty is hardly the only contentious issue Nanci has taken on with her new album-- which will be out June 9. The title track is what hooked me to the album and opened me up to her new record. "The Loving Kind" floored me and I couldn't wait to make a clip for it and write about it. I had never heard about the precedent-setting Loving v Virginia Supreme Court case, which led to an ending to dozens of states' laws that criminalized interracial marriage, until I listened to Nanci sing it. She had never heard about it until she read Mildred Loving's obituary in 2007. "I read that obituary and I just broke down in tears, that I had never heard of this case. It really struck me, especially Mildred's comments about gay marriage. It just brings the whole thing home-- her hopes and her dreams that someday, although she was not a political person, that their case, Loving v Virginia would make a difference for people who are in love with each other. Government does not belong in love."
In 2004 Nanci joined with other progressives in the Nashville music scene to form the Music Row Democrats which worked to prevent Bush from getting an undeserved second term. She said she was surprised by the response. "We all came out of the closet because Nashville is pretty much known as a Republican town and all of these record executives and music people and publishers came out as Music Row Democrats. There were people who never in my life would have thought were Democrats." I asked her if she'd ever considered running against Nashville's reactionary Blue Dog congressman, Jim Cooper. Unfortunately, she laughed.
"I could never get into politics; my past doesn't hold up too well. Being on NPR talking about all the LSD I did when I was in my teenage years... I don't think will hold up very well in running for office... The first song I remember writing was 'Where Are You Now, Dr. Timothy Leary' and I clearly wrote the song when I was doing LSD. I made it through typing class on LSD"
Anyway, Nanci has a bigger stage than Jim Cooper anyway and her songs move and effect a lot more people than his speeches. Judging my the artistic growth in evidenced in The Loving Kind she'll be writing songs for many, many years to come. I doubt anything's going to ever shut her up. When I asked her about the Bush Regime allies who savaged the Dixie Chicks and tried putting them out of business, I could hear the edge of anger in her sweet voice. "I never stopped saying whatever I was saying against the Bush administration abroad. I don't care what those people who crucified the Dixie Chicks... they're not my fans anyway."
Before joining us in the comments section below, please give yourself a treat and listen to "The Loving Kind" up at the top of this post.



Hi, Nanci. Welcome to C&L and thanks for joining us today. I feel badly that not everyone has had a chance to listen to your album while we talk about it-- but it's just another couple of weeks til release day (June 9). But we have been using the title track, "The Loving Kind," in the blogosphere-- and it's posted here too, of course. This afternoon a gaggle of bigoted congressmen, led by a Blue Dog Democrat (Dan Boren) and a homophobic Republican (Jim Jordan) introduced a law that would bar Washington, DC from recognizing same sex marriages. And they talk about how "nothing can be more important than the sanctity of our families," not even perceiving the irony of that statement. I'm guessing the song is an important one for you, since you did name the whole album for it. Can you tell us a little of what into writing it and how you made the leap from laws against allowing people of different races to marry and laws prohibiting marriage equality for gay people?
is used by these creeps just like they use the word "freedom"
I was moved by Mildred Loving's obituary as I was unaware of the case prior to that. And it was so inspiring that the song wrote itself.
My leap from interracial marriages to same sex marriages came from an interview with Mildred Loving in which she expressed that hope.
Government should get out the love business.
What a treat to have you on the world wide web. Your music is inspiring.
Hi Nanci! My question -- what inspired you to go so firmly political with this album? Did you write one song and decide that you wanted to do more like it, or did the concept for it come at once?
The concept came all at once because I was so moved by The Loving's. I also was very moved by the execution of Philip Workman here in Tennessee which I consider murder in my name. It all came at one time...
new songs and can't stop hitting the replay button...:-)
I remember you telling me that Steve Earle got you on the phone with Philip Workman before he was executed. That's not his voice on the CD, right? Can you tell us how you got so involved in this case?
I'm very dear friends with Rev. Joe Engle whose last book was called "Last Rites." Rev. Joe has been the counselor for many a man on death row and he's quite the inspiration.
The voice of God at the end of "Innocent Enough" is that of John Prine.
Hi Nancy! Wanted to know if you had a favorite song of your own from over the years?
"Its A Hard Life Wherever You Go" not because its the most beautiful song I've ever written but because its the most important.
Anyone who hasn't heard it, there's a YouTube
I saw you recorded two of her songs. I couldn't find out much about her, except that she wrote songs that Willie and Waylon did. Is she someone you know personally. What went into you deciding to do two of hers?
Dee Moeller is my greatest hero. As a young girl in Texas she was the most popular writer in TX. She is everything I ever wanted to become in music. She is now retired and runs a bookstore in Dickson, TN.
She will be doing Elizabeth Cook's XM/Sirius radio show "Apron Strings" with me in early June. My website will have that info very soon!
You've collaborated with many artists over the years -- any favorites? Anyone you'd like to work with but haven't?
My favorite collaboration would be Odetta.
When you do live shows overseas, in non-English-speaking countries, do you find people can understand and appreciate your lyrics? Do you like touring abroad? Any favorite countries?
In Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc. they all get it, know every word so yes it crosses language barriers.
I love being over there especially in the summertime.
I find myself singing "The Wing and the Wheel" to myself all the time. How old were you when you wrote it?
A former award-winning journalist and lifelong class warrior, keeping a jaundiced eye on the Washington elite.
It was written in 1982 I think and I'm 55 now so do the math!
As a musician myself, people often ask me, "how do you do that?" It's hard to put into words at times, but I'd love to hear your take on it...
I don't have a choice. Music is what I do and its the only thing I know how to do well. There's a song on The Loving Kind that expresses that very well. It was inspired by a Shania Twain interview where she said it wouldn't have mattered if she ended up playing Holiday Inn lounges her whole life, its just what she does.
There was no other choice for me. I played weddings and parties and resorts to pay my bills in the late 70's and 80's.
Nancy,
Just listened to the "The Loving Kind" and all I can say is we are all so blessed to have your music in our lives. Thank you for sharing the tears and the smiles all these years.
Michael
I'm so excited that I'm going to see you play a live show here in L.A. in a few weeks. Is that part of a national tour or is just a one-off. When will you be doing a tour? Do you play in Nashville much or just when you tour the country?
There are two shows in LA and one in Santa Cruz in June and dates scattered throughout the summer but the extensive U.S. tour comes this Fall/Winter.
I see only a few shows on your website -- will you be touring extensively in support of the new record?
Just wanted to say I've been a fan for a long time. You have such a lovely, clear voice - no one sounds remotely like you. And if you don't mind my saying so, I think you're a real beauty.
My favorite song of yours is 'It's a Hard Life Wherever You Go'. It's one of those rare songs that just stops you in your tracks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1B9lPbdHTk
Do you ever get up to Vancouver?
I do get up to Vancouver but it hasn't been in the past few years.
Thanks for answering my first question Nanci!
I have another one:
The music business has gone through a lot of changes in the past years, how do you feel about the switch to downloading and artists finding new tactics to get their music out? Do you think its hurting or helping?
I think it all helps and there's always going to be the fans that want to hold it in their hands, read the liner notes and the credits. And as long as they're there, I'll continue to labor on them.
Have you received any blow back for your views?
No, not really. I think people pretty much know how pink my blood is.
The record's not released yet. But have you had much feedback on it yet? Alisse, your publicist sent it to me a few weeks ago and it's been my favorite album since then. I bet you can't wait to get out and play the songs for live audiences. Have you been rehearsing with a band?
Because of surgery on my right hand, some of these songs were co-written and I didn't play guitar on them. So for the first time in my life I'm having to learn how to play my own songs.
And I'm so looking forward to playing them live.
Thank you Nanci for being you. I wanted to ask what kinds of music do you enjoy listening to when you find a little "Nanci" time to do so?
I love all kinds of music so it just depends on what kind of mood I'm in. Whether its Patti Smith or Adagio for Strings...
I know you weren't a fan of George Bush's. How do you think President Obama is doing so far? Is he living up to your hopes?
Obama is the greatest hope I've seen in this country since JFK.
My wife and I are big fans. We have seen you in NY, Boston, Atlanta, and my home state Maine. I met you for a few moments in Portland Maine and it was made my day. You are one of our truly great singer songwriters.We try to see you at least once a year-we feel that it is necesary for our health. We also were big John Stewart fans and loved your collabotaions with him. He will be sorely missed I eagerly await your new CD. What of I have heard from it is great. May you stay forever young. Jim Troiano
You're from Austin. Which BBQ place is best??
Art's by far and they have great music there too.
for some ribs...
Nanci, when we talked on the phone you said you would oppose Cheney and Bush getting the death penalty no matter what crimes they're convicted of-- because you just oppose the death penalty. Do you think they should be brought to justice or so you think we should just get on with the future and forget about them?
I'm a total abolitionist when it comes to the death penalty and I think that if any laws were broken by Bush and Cheney, which it kind of looks like they were, then they should be prosecuted. And in the meantime, Cheney should sit down and keep his hands off the phone. He needs to be reminded he is no longer in office.
of your record to Darth Cheney...
Who were the other musicians in the Music Row Dems besides you and Rodney Crowell?
That would be Emmy Lou, Kathy Mattea, Suzy Bogus, etc. etc.
You have such a gift for choosing work by other writers. Anyone new whose songs have really impressed you?
A former award-winning journalist and lifelong class warrior, keeping a jaundiced eye on the Washington elite.
Gale Trippsmith, her song "Money Changes Everything" is on The Loving Kind.
I will make sure Howie does the driving..
You already told me you wouldn't run for office. Do you know Tim McGraw? Do you think he'd make a good public servant? There have been rumors for years that he might run for governor of Tennessee. I hope someone good runs against that Corker in 2012. The state is trending so Republican that it would take a celebrity to beat him.
I really admire Tim McGraw and Faith Hill. Lets run Tim for Governor and Faith for Senate.
You said Obama was giving you a lot of hope. I kind of got that from the song "Across America" on the new album. If anyone hasn't heard that yet, it's here.
I know it's not a showcase of true creativity, but have you ever watched the show?
I'm not a fan of vocal aerobics so no, I do not watch the show.
When yoiu make it big,
Will you hang out with Amy Winehouse?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I love Amy Winehouse's music!
Who said anything about music?
How about Nina Hagen?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
she already said she wasn't a fan of vocal aerobics! =)
=)
What do you listen to that would make you embarrassed if other people knew?
A former award-winning journalist and lifelong class warrior, keeping a jaundiced eye on the Washington elite.
I'm not really ashamed of any of the music that I like but if I had to say something, I really liked Britney Spears' last record.
Have you ever spent any time on political blogs?
Yes, the past hour.
Yes, you have and thank you so much,
You're welcome back anytime. You have a log-in now. We're huge supporters of John Hall around here and he's been on a few times over the last few years.
Same here Nanci! I actually created an account to blog with you here! :-)
Thanks Howie for having me on and everyone have a good night! Now go watch the season finale of "Ugly Betty!"
Peace and cheers,
Nanci
That you know about a career in music that you know now that you wish you'd known when you started?
It was an honor.
just a big Thank You! for your music.
What advice do you have for an aspiring folk rock singer?
take a shower! :>)
I got tied up on a conference call at work and raced home, but I'm too late. Nanci, if you read this, I just wanted to thank you for "It's a Hard Life." I saw that you said it was your favorite song because it's the most important to you and I couldn't agree more. I do it at every gig I do.
You see, I too, am a child of the 60s and have followed your career over the years with great interest because your music is so much like I would have wanted to write -- if I could write.
Best regards,
Steve Humphreys
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