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Chicago - 25 or 6 to 4


Green Day - Brain Stew

This is the third post in a series called Friday Night Ripoffs(?). Here's the deal: every Friday, two songs, where one of them might very well be a gigantic ripoff of the other.

Commenter Uncle Joe McCarthy and C+L blogger Logan Murphy both piped up about this one. Did Green Day lift the riff for "Brain Stew" from Chicago, or is 5th fret, 3rd fret, 2nd fret, 1st fret, open something that just exists in the air? And what about Papa Roach?

Tell us what you think, and leave some suggestions for next week's plagiarism investigation in the comments.

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They may have used the same chord progression, but that's as far as it goes. Yeah it reminds me of the riff in 25 or 6 to 4, but a ripoff? No way.


If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.

George Carlin

The Chord Progressin sounds like it is the same but the melody is different. There is no copyright for chord progressions. So the songs are different due to a different melody being sung.

kometes's picture

Always wondered if Zep or Chicago was first but too lazy to actually look it up...

Debster52's picture

I agree with you. Green Day probably never even heard of Chicago. The lyrics - about going crazy from lack of sleep - go with the chord progression. Chicago is one of my least favorite groups - ugh! Them and Blood, Sweat and Tears. This was an AWESOME version of Brain Stew.

I think this is a fairly common chord progression.

ROCK in the USA
What I Like About You
....same darn song!

If you listen to "Sweet Home, Alabama" and "Werewolves of London" you hear a similarity in chords there as well, but there's no doubt that they are two different songs (at least they were until Kid Rock got a hold of them!).


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Evet's picture

how do you commit plagiarism under those circumstances?

LOL

Good point Evet! Nobody owns the musical scale - songs are always going to remind you of other songs. It can only be plagiarism if you took the entire song, changed a few lyrics, and said you wrote it.


If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.

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calgarylady's picture

I love their music. The Green Day song was OK, but any tune by Chicago rocks!

Evet's picture

can we borrow that riff?

Amitola's picture

about the rip-off of chord progressions....

But, from what I've heard, Green Day has nowhere near the musicality of Chicago....no comparison whatsoever.!

I must say that I'm old....61, I think. And, to my mind and ear, if you can't remember the melody and you can't hum or whistle it...it ain't music. It could still be art....but not MUSIC.


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Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

and the theme to both songs

did green day conciously rip off chicago? well, they may not think so...but when 2 songs start with basically the same hook, and the themes of the songs are basically the same....something is going on

next up...and this should be debated next week

girlfreind by avril lavigne vs i wanna be your boyfreind by the rubinoos and hey mickey by toni basil

lavigne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ25-glGRzI

rubinoos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3t66Nrqteo

basil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHN16DCAy1E

remember...its the hook that makes a good pop song

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

The copyright is on the melody, such as it may, the 2nd bears no resemblance to the 1st. There is no infringement whatsoever.

Even though the harmonies are the same. The 2nd progression of Ab-, Ab-/Gb, Db/F, Fb, Eb is identical the 1st which is in A- though there is somewhat more to it, and less at the same time.

As for melody, I can show examples of motifs that Mozart borrowed from JS Bach though reworked so cleverly as to be thoroughly disguised. Beethoven did the same thing with Mozart. Bach got some of his stuff from Corelli. Corelli is as far back as I can take it.

The saying goes: great composers steal, lesser composers borrow.

With the great ones it can take the listener years of study to understand where they pinched their material. They were always swiping stuff from each other. With the lesser guys it is obvious.

Rodrigo in his great guitar concerto, in the famous adagio lifted a phrase from a Mozart piano sonata and created a famous melody. No one ever comments on this. Yet there are dozens of imitations and naked rip offs of Rodrigo.

I will leave it to someone else to decide if there is any application to these pop guys. I must go eat a sandwich.

I will say that the Green Day guy puts together several notes in a row which are in tune, that is quite rare with this ilk.


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So did Paul McCartney steal that quote from someone else, or did he borrow it?

I believe Paul McCartney was quoted as saying The Beatles were "plagerists extrordinares".....


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Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

this thread is not about blatant plagerism...thats too ez and there are only a few songs that meet that category...and most have been adjudicated in a court of law

cord progression is one thing...ya, the same cord progression can be found in a zepp song...but its played differently, and has a vocal running over it

green day uses the opening as a hook...same as chicago did

the themes of the song are the same....being unable to sleep and as a result losing creativity....chicago's is more nuanced, green day smacks you in the head with it

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

The word you want is plagiarism.

You do not use the terms of a musician so you apparently do not have the luxury (or is it a curse) of knowing anything from that standpoint.

If you are going to argue about English you need a spell checker first.

Then you could look for the consistency of your statement vis a vis the English language.

And LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE.

The title at the top of the page is 'Friday Night Ripoffs' - the term plagiarism is used in literature. There is a specific definition which makes the use of 'blatant' a tautology.

It is something like being a little or maybe a lot pregnant

In music if one uses the work of another, it can be done with permission only when there is work added.

Without permission the term in music is infringement of copyright. It happens a lot.

However using your term 'blatant plagerism' plagiarism and setting it against 'Ripoff' I think there is a case for a continuity there.

Although once again I say there is no infringement.

As far as there only being a few songs that meet that category (of infringement), there are only a few famous ones, but there are lots of lawsuits.

I have friends who have made far more in their infringement cases than they have in their careers.

The rich and powerful are ripping us off daily.

There is another point and that is this:

is it wise to use a progression that clearly harkens to another song?

I would say, it depends on what the other song is.

You might gather, I am not a fan of pop music, from my standpoint most of these people have barely enough talent or skill to fill a thimble.

Still I will listen to most things. The Green tune is the more refined of the three examples of the same progression. I suspect I could find an example of this progression in the eighteenth century.


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Debster52's picture

Chicago kind of sucks if you ask me.

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jimbo92107's picture

Plagiarism sucks because it's such a cop-out to the spirit of creativity. I don't see "Brain Stew" as plagiarism because Green Day is using a fairly common opening riff and taking it in a very different direction than Chicago did. This would be like calling "Pawn to Queen 4" a special combination that you can't use unless you credit whoever made it up hundreds of years ago.

Thank you, Ug of Chess, for inventing that common opening. Now let's find a whole new way to lose this game...

Comment on Songfacts.com: "The whole Zeppelin v. Chicago fiasco is interesting to me so I did some research and found some info for those interested: Chicago's '25 or 6 to 4' was recorded Aug 1969 and released June 1970 Zeppelin's "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" was recorded Oct 1968 and released in January 1969 So Zeppelin not only recorded BIGTLY earlier they released it before Chicago had recorded 25r624. There is a strong possibility Chicago were influenced by listening to Zeppelin on the radio since BIGLY would have been on the airways for atleast 7 months!"

Twistykat's picture

Maybe the next debate could be about that bass and lead guitar riff in Zeppelin's "Whole Lotta Love" vs a similar riff in "I see you" from Yes' debut album.

Both songs came out around the same time so it might be hard to decide who ripped off who. If you want to call it a rip off.

Since you all know WLL, here's ISY for reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA7qitHI41Y

Ronin08's picture

I'm cheating because this one actually made the news...

Coldplay's Viva La Vida: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44xirQ55IgA

Joe Satriani's If I Could Fly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMcjXo8ZuqE

For Comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvB9Pj9Znsw

And I loved how the Papa Roach link censored literally half the words. -_-

Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

and coldplay did steal that sucker

chucko33's picture

Seriously, this is the most illegitimate lawsuit I've seen in years and I'm probably a bigger Satch fan than anybody here (and could care less about Coldplay's music). I wrote about it in December
http://blogcritics.org/music/article/joe-satr...

To quickly summarize, the ONLY similarity between the Satch song and Coldplay's is that Chris Martin of Coldplay, during "Viva's" verses, holds ONE MEASLY NOTE for 5 EIGHTH NOTES long before singing the next note a half pitch higher, then the next one 1 1/2 pitches lower. The exact notes are D-flat, D, and B.

Satriani does the same at two different points on "If I Could Fly" (to start the song's two choruses, though it's an instrumental). The exact notes are F-sharp, G, and E.

There is NOTHING else similar, not the guitar or bass lines or drum patterns.

So, both songs have similar three-note progressions, but again, note even close to a ripoff of any melody. Thousands of sounds (especially on Top 40 radio) have much greater similarities than these two - as I explained in a later comment, CLIPSE definitely ripped off Geggy Tah. Go compare those two, and maybe then we'll come to an agreement.

grs's picture

Haven't been around on Friday's lately. Sorry if this is a repeat, but it bugs the living piss out me since that damn song by Jet was so freaking popular.

Iggy Pop - Lust for Life

Jet - Are You Gonna Be my Girl

Let me guess, I'm like the 6th person to post this?

Andy K's picture

If you were going to go on that, every Neil Young song would be a ripoff of the very first song done in 4/4 time.

No, I don't agree...I totally hear a similarity besides just the drum beat. I score it as a rip-off.


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Janeane The Acerbic Goblin's picture

Chicago is a cool band, but the 80's pop stuff was annoying at times. I like their first album the best. Their cover of "I'm a Man" puts Winwood's to shame, and he wrote the song himself! Kath's guitar playing (especially on Poem 58) is awesome. I love the avant garde Free Form Guitar too.

Chicago had/has awesome musicianship, and it puts Green Day to shame.

I'm actually listening to the Blues Brothers's first album, Briefcase Full of Blues, which was all covers (i.e., no official ripoffs). For an album that was supposed to be a "joke", it's so tightly arranged and performed (Paul Shaffer was the musical director on it) you sometimes forget it's part of a comedy "sketch". Belushi and Akyroyd really gave it their all. It's still awesome.

The ones in the movie were truly the guys who did a lot of great music. When Otis Redding sings, "Play it Steve!" he's talking to the long haired blond guitar player (Steve "The Colonel" Cropper) who recorded that guitar. Donald "Duck" Dunn.. Matt "Guitar" Murphy..

They were the real deal.

I like their CTA album best, too. I'm generally not a fan of double albums but I really like this one. Great songs, great musicianship.


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grs's picture
Yes

This isn't part of the rip off game, but I just came across this clip of GWAR on Jerry Springer back in the day. It's great that GWAR is still touring.

Dilapidus's picture

It's all about the interplay between the chords and the rhythm and these two are significantly different.

It is very hard to push a song out once you realize even a tiny portion of it is similar to something else. I have a song I like a lot but the hook is damn close to a movie rendition of an old song and I can't quite come around to recording it.

And believe me.. I'm not pure.

sassafra's picture

aren't song copyrights based off of melodies rather than chord progressions? as such, there would be no plagairism.
anyways, armstrong in no way approaches the level of guitar talent kath displayed.

Dilapidus's picture

"anyways, armstrong in no way approaches the level of guitar talent kath displayed."

So? A lot of great music gets done by total hacks.. I appreciate virtuosity but it's hardly a requirement of good music.

To me the Green Days and Foo Fighters nicely compliment the Steely Dans and Dire Straits. It's all good

Neither Green Day nor the Foo Fighters are hack bands.


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Dilapidus's picture

But I don't consider either guitarist anywhere near the skill of Knopfler or Carleton, Baxter et. al.

Green Day is just weak...seriously weak. I give them props for staying together for so many years, but that's about it.

dondiago's picture

Keep On Truckin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWxJOht2yRE

(((The cord progression on these two songs are identical!)))

Arlo Guthrie/Alice's Restaurant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_7C0QGkiVo

Well the intro definitely has similarities but I don't think the rest of the tune is lifted, so I'd give Green Day a pass and say they at least have the good sense to lift fragments of a good tune.

One that bothers me is The Killers - Mr. Brightside and its' clear lifting from Bowie's Queen Bitch (not chord progression but actual vocal melody), so I would put forth that one as next week's example. A lesser known rip-off is KISS doing a tune called Dreamin' (Psycho Circus album) which is almost a wholesale lifting of Alice Cooper's I'm Eighteen but of course the grand daddy of all rip-offs is Zeppelin doing Jake Holmes' I'm Confused and retitling it Dazed & Confused. C'mon Jimmy, you did an amazing job making that tune your own but give credit where it's due. And yes I know that's just one of many examples of LZ "borrowing" but I find it the most blatent.

exitstageleft's picture

My mind says "Maybe not, EXACTLY",......but my heart says: RIPOFF!!!!! Chicago didn't necessarily INVENT that progression, but ANYONE who has EVER listened to classic rock or oldies stations, will IMMEDIATELY "recognize" that progression as "belonging" to 25 Or 6 To 4!...And it's OBVIOUS! I don't know how ANYONE who grew up listening to rock and roll wouldn't hear that Green Day tune, and NOT say, "That sure sounds like 25 Or 6 To 4!"...It would seem to me, that if you're going to not only USE that progression, but START the song with it, like Chicago also did, you would HAVE to expect that people are going to exclaim: "Ripoff!"...Unless, of course, you figure your audience is a bunch of "ignorant" kids, who don't know SHIT!...An "homage" maybe???...I doubt it, but I could be wrong!

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I just returned from tonight's performance of the dual tour of Chicago and Earth Wind and Fire in Phoenix, AZ. I have to say that it was just an awesome concert and the final bit was the most amazingly wonderful feel good songs that I can remember by these two groups. They looked like they were having SO much fun! Just really happy music. 25 or 6 to 4 is one of my favorite songs and Chicago and EWF did an amazing performance of it --- full of energy and fun! If you get a chance to see them together, please do.... you won't regret it.


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and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.

exitstageleft's picture

Thanks for posting EARLY CHICAGO here (please post some live stuff with Terry Kath!)...Listen to this and tell me why Madonna is in the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame, but Chicago isn't...I know they fell into the power pop fluff mode, but in those early days, Chicago ROCKED! And they rocked BIG TIME!

Chicago was one of a triumvirate of bands in the late 60's (Blood, Sweat,and Tears, Tower of Power being the other two) who helped meld the heavy guitar rock, big horn section sound into a staple of top 40 radio. Sure, Chicago became pretty soft in later years (Terry Kath's death probably being a reason for that) but there's no mistaking their rock n roll roots. That Chicago, Tower of Power, BS&T aren't in the RnR Hall of Fame, but Madonna is, shows you exactly what a joke The Hall has become.


If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.

George Carlin

Waldo's picture

Isn't it the same/similar progression in these songs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7qpfGVUd8c (While My Guitar Gently Weeps)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0wnRo6TTEU (Stray Cat Strut)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boXa8c6OuRQ (Sixteen Tons)

Slight differences, but same basic thing...

W

Zafod's picture

Chicago invented a time machine and went into the future to rip off Green Day. Ockham's razor.

Reverend Zafod


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"Dazed and Confused" - Led Zeppelin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejYr5Z-C7-0

"Dazed and Confused" - Jake Holmes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc

Zep may have changed the lyrics but the melody was not credited to Holmes.


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newbroom's picture

Jr Walker's "Shotgun".....and the rip?....Kenny Loggins?...."Roll With It".....

That was Steve Winwood who recorded "Roll with it" and yeah, if ever there was a rip off - that was it.


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George Carlin

So many of John Lennon's Beatles' as well as solo songs have that trademark descending bassline. I think it may have all started here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFYlhw3g4P8


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Not a ripoff, but some terrible faux punk rock.

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Ya know I never listened closely to 25 or 6 until now. I didn't know there were two drum tracks. Terry Kath really "makes" that song.


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Great guitar sounds, great vocal, catchy melodies. I'm a sucker.


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JeremiadJones's picture

.... as noted above .... however, these two track pretty closely:

Cars: Bye Bye Love
Fastball: Fire Escape

inappropriate's picture

not unlike La Grange (ZZ Top) vs Spirit In The Sky (Norman Greenbaum)

The Grouch by Greenday, not as much as the comparison in this thread or the one I make at the top of mine, is close to 867-5309 (Jenny) by Tommy Tutone. How about Ba Wit Da Ba by Kid Rock versus Frankenstein by Edgar Winter Group? Guess I better chill before I show ALL of my hand....

"La Grange" and "Spirit in the Sky" both use the same John Lee Hooker blues riff. I've always said that "Spirit in the Sky" is a classic example of how you can take any song, no matter how atrocious lyrically, set it to that particular JLH riff, and it'll be a hit. There's just something about that riff.......


If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.

George Carlin

inappropriate's picture

but its always amusing to take La Grange - a song about brothels, and Spirit In The Sky - pretty much gospel in content, and imagine their adversarial lyrics battling to the death!

My money is on La Grange. Oh, and he sounds soooo drunk in the beginning. Cracks me up!

Mugsy's picture

I know if I thought about it for a while, I could think of a few similar sounding songs, but whenever I see this thread, the only one I can think of is the most famous "dispute" of all: George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord" being sued for copying the Chiffon's "He's So Fine".

Both still great songs in their own right, but the lawsuit made Harrison's life miserable for decades.


* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.

That was so unfair and ridiculous.

Slideguy's picture

The Hues Corporation's "Rock the Boat" and Dr. Hook's "When You're In Love With A Beautiful Woman". Same groove.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfBwsG8ubFw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64CAB07pf_M&fe...

chucko33's picture

Take it from someone who has studied chords and music in general for 15 years:

Chicago starts off their song with four OCTAVE chords: a high A and low A, then high G and low G, etc. for F# (# = sharp) then F, then an E major chord with an A instead of G# to close out the intro.

Green Day tunes their guitars and bass down a half step from E standard tuning to Eb (b = flat) tuning. Their opening chords are straight 5 chords: A5, G5, F#5, F5 and E5. From there, Green Day gets a bit repetitive for the rest of the song until the fast part at the end where they just hold on to an Ab note.

Chicago, on the other hand, after the initial intro riff, does it a 2nd time (when the horns and drums come in) but ends in a straight E5 chord (no "A" note this time). Then comes lighter acoustic guitar chords that join the electric guitar, and they are: four A minor chords (either 2nd or 5th position), followed by and E major chord.

So what you have here is two similar sounding songs, BUT, they aren't really close to ripping each other off.

There are other groups that have used similar progressions similar to what Chicago and Green Day did here but with crucial variations that keep them from sounding TOO similar.

Think of Led Zeppelin's "Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You," or George Harrison's "While My Guitar Gently Weeps." They all have that similar progression to Chicago and Green Day that starts out in A (major or minor or Ab/A-flat), continues to G, F#/F-sharp, F and ends in E5 (or E major chord).

If you want a REAL ripoff controversy, STEREOGUM had a good one this week with CLIPSE "All I Wanna Do (Feel Like Me)" ripping off '90s one-hit wonder Geggy Tah's hit "Whoever You Are."

http://stereogum.com/archives/geggy-tah-say-c...

Check it out there and follow the links to the two songs' YouTube videos to compare them. CLIPSE totally ripped off the Geggy Tah guitar chords almost exactly on his song.

blaze's picture

If we use identical chord progression as plagiarism, then there are millions of country and blues tunes that are rip-offs.

reaganblewsatan's picture

OK i just find it arrogant for rock fans in their 50's to asume people remember every snoozefest from their adolescence. They didn't ripoff Chicago because who the hell would do that in this day and age. Now get in that rocking chair, put on the shawl, drink that Greitol and give us a good hearty laugh about how Steely Dan has stood the test of time!

Ok, name us some bands from today (or even the 90's) who will be remembered and listened to 30-40 years from now. Go ahead, we're waiting.....

Now you kids get off my goddamn lawn! :-)


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Debster52's picture

The greatest band of all time. Well, maybe after the Rolling Stones. Pearl Jam has lasted quite awhile. I will never listen to Chicago if I can help it. They are in the category of who to play if you want to torture me.

sprthmmr's picture

By far, the most glaring and obvious and infamous rip-offs was Nirvana's lifting of the main riff from Blue Oyster Cult's "GODZILLA", a song that Cobain loved, as the basis of their big hit "Smells Like Teen Spirit". Their biggest hit, a fraud. Those of us with a bit of rock history under our belts (I'm the same age as Cobain) picked this up right away, along with other examples of heavy lifting from classic songs. To this day, I cannot listen to the Nirvana song without going "OH NO, THERE GOES TOKYO!"

That's one of the very best and most famous examples of ripping someone off.

chucko33's picture

You need to get your ears cleaned out (or learn to play these songs on guitar). "Godzilla" and "Teen Spirit" don't even sound close to each other. Teen Spirit's opening and main riff: F5, B-flat5, A-Flat5, D-Flat-5. Godzilla's main and opening riff: F#5, C-to-D5, A-flat-to-A5, E-flat-to-E5-to-B5.

Like I said: Not even close to a ripoff. And I know my rock history.

Yellowbird's picture

That being said I decided to listen to theirs first. I really enjoyed the piece and found it to be not only great, but very original.

After playing Green Day I clicked on Chicago to see what song they "plagiarized". I swear the two songs are NOTHING ALIKE AT ALL.

This twosome does not qualify for "Rip Off" of any kind.

DrFine79's picture

If you haven't done yet:

Beginning riff of "Rikki Don't Lose that Number" by Steely Dan as a ripoff of "Song for My Father" by Horace Silver, or "Whole Lotta Love" by Led Zeppelin as a ripoff of "You Need Love" by Willie Dixon.

anonymousryan's picture

I don't know if it's technically a rip off since Chris Martin asked permission to rip-off Kraftwerk's "Computer Love" in their song "Talk", but they're so remarkably similar I suppose he had to or else be sued.

gemzenith's picture
I

wish you would stop this nitpicking session you've got going on here.Music is math and there are only so many progressions that will sound pleasing to the human ear.And music has been around forever and I'm sure any and all progressions have been used throughout history.If you dig deep enough you will find the same in Bach, Beethoven Brahms,Wagner.Get over yourselves.

Yes, what you say is true.....but don't spoil our fun.


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doombudgie's picture

From some of the comments here it appears that a lot of people either have a very narrow definition of what constitutes a ripoff or else are mostly interested in showing off how great their musical education and is and how many chords they can name?
I don't really know what the legal definition of a "ripoff" is, to be honest I don't really care as I'm sure it's largely dependent on the money you can get together to pay for a high power lawyer but I'd like to introduce the concept of artistic ripoffs vs legalistic ripoffs.
To my ear the original post sounds like a blatant ripoff, as did the Coldplay vs Satriani (although I really hate Coldplay so my judgement might be a bit weak there), I don't care what "technical" differences there are between tracks and whether it would stand up in court but from an artistic point of view they're blatant ripoffs!!!
I don't really want to hear about how "There's nothing new under the sun" and how artists use each others' work but I think it can be done with integrity rather than blatant theft.

mfrickanisce's picture

Just heard the new Jet song "She's a Genius" and it immediately reminded me of "My Sharona" by The Knack. Even has that grunt sound in there. What do you think?

http://jettheband.ning.com/

slammit's picture

does Billie Joe Armstrong sing with a blue collar English accent, a la Buzzcocks? Dude is from Oakland CA.

JeremiadJones's picture

Velvet Underground: Oh Sweet Nothin'
Marshall Tucker Band: Can't You See

Divine inspiration or blatant ripoff?

The Beatles - Obladi Oblada- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJhcGepfG04
The Offspring - Why Don't You Get A Job? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqHkuHy39eA

Don't forget about the other one I mentioned:

Corey Hart - Sunglasses At Night - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2LTL8KgKv8
Miley Cyrus - See You Again - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJDC3Gg-F8w

Chaka Nawe's picture

Oh yes, and these too:

Tom Petty - American Girl - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3xOmI1Plk
The Strokes - Last Night - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1vvUec71v8

And more Strokes:

Duane Eddy + Art Of Noise - Peter Gunn - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEPSR4KsbO8
The Munsters Theme - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFCnvH2E-6A
The Strokes - Juicebox - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBUcGv41lVY

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